This episode we welcome Michael Pilhofer of MSP Fitness back to the podcast. Last time we talked about Crossfit, and this time we tackled the behemoth of a topic; NUTRITION! Michael has been a personal trainer for 6 years, and if you listened the last time he joined the good guys, you know he’s a sponge for all sorts of information as he developed his own wellness philosophy.

nutrition basics

With such a hefty topic, we took a high level approach and left you with some nuggets that should inspire you to dig a little deeper. Nuggets include but aren’t limited to:

–          The audio fader-board metaphor for adjusting macro-nutrients (my favorite)

–          Intro to gluten

–          Is Calories in – Calories out a legit philosophy or is there more to it?

–          Why it’s so hard to change dietary habits

–          Intro to the popular “Crossfit” diets; Paleo and Zone

–          Food journaling (shudder)

If you’re interested in diving in a little deeper into some of the topics we discussed, check out these links:

Info on Zone diet:






http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet – I do not know why Wikipedia chose such a disgusting picture for this article. So go here and here for better pics of paleo awesomeness.



Also, check out the MSP Fitness site, for more info on the programs Michael offers at the gym, and check them out on Facebook.

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  1. I’ve met Michael and my GF trains at his gym. I had never heard of this podcast until my GF sent me the link to tell me Michael was interviewed. I had the pleasure to talk to him personally about nutrition a while back. He is very knowledgeable but at the same time humble about his opinions. He is very cautious about being overly zealous about any one way of doing things IMHO. In fact at the beginning of the interview he even says, “That there is no ONE way.” @Ben, I find some of the points you bring up interesting. I think the paleo diet is a good protocol for the simple reason that it focuses on eating real food. I don’t know how you can do much better than just eating real, organically raised food but if you’re aware of another way of constructing a meal plan that provides a framework for living a long, disease-free life and is more “scientifically sound” I’m willing to listen. I’m not a Taubes crazy or anything but I’m curious why you said he’s a “horrible source for scientifically sound advice”? I’m assuming you’ve read his books. I found them to have interesting information and that he seems to have done a lot of in-depth research about nutrition. I think the main point I have gleaned from paleoand Taubes is that if an individual wants to be at a healthy weight and keep their body in a disease free state for the long-term it is best to stay away from the processed, packaged foods that currently make up a majority of the typical American diet. Of course it would also be beneficial for us all to move around more as well. A lot of people are now knowledge workers and that leads to long hours sitting at desks hunched over a keyboard… typing comments to podcasts! 🙂 Anyway, I think a paleo diet based on eating real food which means plenty of organic, green leafy veggies with quality protein sources and a more concerted effort to move our bodies more frequently would help anyone make strides towards achieving their health goals. Thanks for the podcast guys… Glad I’ve been exposed to it. I will check out future episodes. I’m local in MN as well… If you ever want to talk nutrition feel free to get in touch.

  2. Hey Good Guys-

    Thanks for another entertaining podcast. I thought the nutrition segment was great and the good guy banter was entertaining, as usual.

    I was listening to this podcast at 30,000 feet while packed shoulder to shoulder in the middle of a Boeing 757. Made for a few awkward moments with my seatmates as I found myself caught up in the contagious laughter associated with the “caruncle conversation.” Still chuckling now…

    Looking forward to the next podcast.

  3. I do want to say, if Michael is reading this, that it still was a great interview and the issues I brought up in my comment aren’t solely from this interview. And if any listeners who have poor eating habits follow his advice I am sure they will see improvements somewhere. The journaling, or just being conscious of your diet, like he said does wonders alone. So Michael, again if you’re reading, I hope you don’t think I was angry towards you because I’m not.

    Look forward to the next episode!

  4. Hey guys! First off, love the podcast! It is the audio fuel for the morning walks with my dog. Keep up the excellent work!

    However, listening to this episode this morning made me visibly angry. I enjoyed hearing Michael’s previous interview about CrossFit. A bit regurgitated, but better explained than most people associated with the organization. But the nutrition advice he gave, more importantly the person he told listeners to look to for nutritional guidance (Gary Taubes, an aerospace engineer) is a horrible source for scientifically sound advice. I understand that CF has a vested interest in Taubes and the Paleo diet, but the research in nutrition does not agree with it.

    The point of the Paleo diet being “anthropologically sound” is such a farce as well. Anthropologists have shown that prehistoric man ran, sometimes up to 60km, to hunt prey. The feasted one day on animal and then one to three days following that had little or no animal while eating mostly plants. The didn’t eat 3-6 small meals every day consisting of mostly meat.

    And for sleep, we are the only mammal that thinks we need an eight hour block of sleep to regenerate. The human body is an amazing piece of work that is highly adaptable, just look at Special Forces training. You can train your body to reach REM sleep (the important sleep) fast enough to go off of 3.5 hours of sleep distributed throughout the day.

    Most importantly, and I will step off my soapbox after this, at one point in this episodes’s interview it was mentioned that (and I’m paraphrasing) there is a lot of science that won’t be discussed. With issues like nutrition, sleep, and anything else dealing with physiology you cannot sufficiently discuss the topic without talking about the science. Buzz words sound cool, but a well-educated professional can bring science into layman’s terms enough for all listeners to understand.

    1. Ben – Some great points in there. In Michael’s defense a little bit, the evening after we recorded the interview, he emailed me before I had my coat off and was concerned that he may have come off a little too “Taubesian” which he definitely did not want to portray.

      As we touched on in the interview, Paleo can mean VERY different things to different people. My personal view is that it’s a clever framework for leading one to much better choices, biased towards vegetables/fruits/meat/nuts and away from the processed carbs and sugars. There has actually been a distinct shift in the research lately with regards to the detrimental effects of sugar in particular. I’m going to find some of those and will post the links when I get a little more time. I’d be very interested to see the nutrition research that refutes the choices that a more paleolithic diet guides one to if you have any handy.

      I suspect you may be right about sleep so am definitely going to do some more research on the topic and also agree that science needs to be a bigger part of the discussion. Ultimately, this chat was to raise some nutritional issues, and draw on some of the anecdotal experience from someone who has been working with people that want to get healthier. I probably could have done a better job of making that clear at the outset.

      Thanks for listening, and really appreciate the feedback. Keep it coming!


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